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(IAAC) Fwd re: Prison Vote has taken place, but all is not lost



[I will try to minimize "Prisonfane" reposts to IAAC, but here
is one I thought would be of general global interest...  -Lew]
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From: "Scordato, Thomas" <TSCORDA@alleghenypower.com>
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Subject: RE: Prison Vote has taken place, but all is not lost
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:26:19 -0400
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Dear Maryann,
A few people laughed at me when I mentioned it before, but I am used to
being laughed at.
We land Jumbo jets I fowl weather with out seeing the runway via instruments
with hundreds of people on board.
We operate multi billion dollar naval submarines without portholes or
visually seeing were you are going.
Since it looks inevitable that this prison is going in why not try to
convince the Vermont State Department of Corrections to look at a "dark"
prison.  
Now I know what you are going to say but think for a second.  The money you
could save via electric lighting, could well pay for an infra read, "star
visual system" and motion detectors which the guards on watch could use.  If
in the event of a breakout, they can always fire up their normal search
lights temporarily.
It seems you have nothing to loose but to try to get into proving such a
technology would be not only possible and successful but economically
viable.
I don't live in Vermont.  As far as I am concerned, someone from
Pennsylvania has little business meddling in the Green Mountain State's
affairs.  I do hate light pollution and know how it will effect the
observing and observing only. 
Maybe, they get the prison, you retain light free (at least from the prison)
skies.
As far as I see it you have three choices,.
1.	Move to a darker spot.
2.	Stay where you are  and live with the additional pollution
3.	Get involved to eliminate or light from the prison.
I think this idea of a dark prison is not as far fetched as you may believe.
Be creative, get involved.  Act as allies to these government officials
instead of an advisory.  Prove to them that our military uses night vision,
why not prison guards.  From what I have seen, these prisons are very hi
tech.  Maybe stage a demonstration for the Vermont Department of
Corrections, Governor and public.  
The time to act is no as the prison is in the planning stage.
.
What do you have to loose?
Tom Scordato
Bellefonte, PA
	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Maryann Arrien [SMTP:marrien@computer.net]
	Sent:	Wednesday, June 30, 1999 7:11 AM
	To:	Kurth Bemis; Leo Rousseau; Lily Lou; Linda Marks; Michio
Kaku; Mike Kendall; Mike Stebbins; 'donna_leahy@nthp.org'; Paul Noah;
Richard Berry; Steven J. Dick; Ted Jerome; Thomas Williams; 'Eileen Myers';
Lew Gramer (me); marrien@computer.net; 'Robert Black'; Internet Amateur
Astronomers Catalog - Discussion; NH Astronomical Society; North Shore
Amateur Astronomy Club; Amateur Telescope Makers of Boston; 'Leif Robinson';
'jmgibbons@bkb.com'; 'Herbert R Johnson'; 'Gilbert Violette'; 'Barry Obut';
'Charles_Wiecha@lotus.com'; 'FSchaaf@aol.com'; 'Lew Gramer';
'spinney@pwshift.com'; 'Leif Robinson'; 'Shull, Julian'; 'Scordato, Thomas';
'Mark Jaworsky'; 'Edwin L. Aguirre'
	Subject:	FW: Prison Vote has taken place
	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Maryann Arrien [SMTP:marrien@computer.net]
	Sent:	Wednesday, June 30, 1999 7:09 AM
	To:	'Ken Lowther'; 'Donald G Urban'; 'john.pazmino@ferc.fed.us';
	'musante@ecs.umass.edu'; 'bobmulford@juno.com';
'hricko@email.njin.net'; 
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	'Greg Babcock'; Alexander Miranda; 'Ken Lowther'; Andy Poniros;
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	Cook; Bob Anderson; Buck Brundage; Carol D'Antonio; Derrick Pitts;
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	David Crawford; Bob Gent; Dr. Charles Liu; Garth Eliassen; Gene
Zagorsky; 
	Jane Houston; Jane Houston (II); John Vogt; John Wood; Karl Hricko;
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	Conod
	Subject:	FW: Prison Vote has taken place
	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Maryann Arrien [SMTP:marrien@computer.net]
	Sent:	Wednesday, June 30, 1999 7:08 AM
	To:	'Charles_Wiecha@lotus.com'; 'Dr. Max Wilson';
'cdave@us.ibm.com'; 
	'FormulaWiz@aol.com'; 'Atmj1@aol.com'; 'w6cwj@earthlink.net'; 
	'Charles_Wiecha/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com'; 'David_Mundel@lotus.com'; 
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	'JTeleska@aol.com'; 'green@cfa.harvard.edu';
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	'chester.nichols@srs.gov'; 'chalas@cfa.harvard.edu'; 
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'Mel 
	Bartels'; 'steblina'; 'Mark Alsing'; 'Kreig McBride'; 'Phillip
Creed'
	Subject:	FW: Prison Vote has taken place
	-----Original Message-----
	From:	STM-Secretary [SMTP:STM-Secretary@home.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, June 29, 1999 8:38 PM
	To:	Wayne Zuhl; Walt Wheeler; Tony Costanzo; Tom Spirock; Tom
McConnell; 
	Ted Jerome; Sue Rugelis; Steve Scotten; Steve Jenner; Steve Dodson;
Steve 
	Dick; Steve Baumrucker; Sher Malik; Scott Milligan; Russ Chmela; Ron
Bauer; 
	Robert Keleman; Phil Rounsville; Perry Remaklus; Paul Vallelli;
Patrick 
	Dodson; Norm Fredrick; Natalie Dodson-Melassanos; Melinda Callis;
Maryann 
	Arrien; Mario Motta; Lou Desy; Lily Lou; Kristine Larsen; Kim
Lemerise; Ken 
	Slater; Kait Bean; Justus Addiss; Junie Esslinger; Joyce Sinnott;
Jonathan 
	Morse; John Gallagher; Joel S Gillman; Joel Niedbala; Jim Flood; Jim
Daley; 
	Jeff Lowe; Jack Heinzmann; George Scotten; Gary Cislak; Fred
Erickson; 
	Frank Pakulski; Fran Flanders; Ewan Douglas; Evan Tilley; Derrick
Pitts; 
	Dennis Mishler; Dennis DiCicco; David McGaw; David Levy; Connie
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	Vietje; Bob Morse; Bob Anderson; Blanchard Pratt; Bert Willard; Anna
	Seeger; Alan Rohwer; Al Stern; Al Monkowski; Al Moeck
	Subject:	Prison Vote has taken place
	Crisis At Stellafane:
	News Update: Tuesday June 29, 1999
	The final vote is in. The Town of Springfield has voted to accept
the State 
	contract to build the largest State Prison in Vermont in the
neighborhood
	of 4 miles from Stellafane Observatory, a National Historic
Landmark.
	The final Town vote was:
	1633 FOR
	1564 AGAINST
	There has been no response from Vermont Governor Howard Dean to my
two
	faxes last week containing petition comments or the FedEx package I
sent
	yesterday containing a compilation of the first 1000 replies to the
	Petition.
	Contained in these mail and fax communications was information from
many
	scientists warning that this proximity to Stellafane was too close
to
	attain sufficient abatement of the light pollution that will result.
	Perhaps this was not sufficiently convincing.  If you have any
further
	information or data on this subject, please advise me here on the
web page. 
	We could use the information. For complex information please
remember to
	send a way to contact you by phone as well.
	It is a sad day for astronomers all over the world.
	I feel that this is a national tragedy.
	Maryann Arrien
	President
	Springfield Telescope Makers
	Stellafane
	marrien@computer.net
	http:/www.stellafane.
	+++++
	From the secretary:
	We may have lost this battle, but the war is not over.  We are
working on a 
	strategy to keep up the fight.  We are keeping the petition going as
a 
	means to strengthen our arguments.  There will be more to follow.
	Wayne "Waynbo" Zuhl
	Secretary, Springfield Telescope Makers
	www.stellafane.com
	STM-Secretary@home.com
	Waynbo@home.com
	eFax: 520-244-5338
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